Welcome to The Copious Christian. co·pi·ous [koh-pee-uhs] adjective 1.large in quantity or number; abundant; plentiful: copious amounts of food. 2.having or yielding an abundant supply: a copious larder; a copious harvest. 3. exhibiting abundance or fullness, as of thoughts or words. This is a blog dedicated to defending and discussing the word of God against Nominal Christians, Atheists, and Political Correctness with Biblical support and general logic.
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God Be Praised!
So yesterday I wrote an article about John Fugelsang and his discussion with Bill Donohue, I sent the article to Mr. Fugelsang and was fortunate enough to have a brief exchange with him on twitter. I'm pleased with what happen. Why? Mr. Fugelsang wasn't compelled by my argumentation, he didn't repent (I'm not 100% convinced he read the article entirely) and he basically called me a bigot, why would I be happy about that? Simple answer, God used me to bring judgment. I've prayed for God to use me for His will and He has. He used me to bring judgment. All too often we as Christians preach the gospel and feel a sense of failure when we are rejected or ignored. Jesus had no such attitude and nor did the apostles. The success of The Gospel isn't in our hands, it's in the hands of God, God simply left us the charge to preach His gospel.
I started this blog as a way to reach atheists but that motive changed and now I write these articles mainly for Nominal Christians, the camp where Mr. Fugelsang finds himself, people who claim to be a follower of Jesus but for whatever reason openly ignore His teachings and deny that they're doing so. I provided Mr. Fugelsang answers for his "arguments" that are consistent with Biblical teachings, I used scripture to support my conclusions and left him with no excuse to continue his foolish level of "argumentation". I openly admit that the tone of my article was indeed snide but I NEVER insulted Mr. Fugelsang, I used his own words against him, if that can be considered an insult then I guess I did insult him. I called his argument "rambling" (because it's non-sense). If anything I insulted the people who would find his "argument" compelling, I called those people "short-sighted, shallow thinking people" and by Mr. Fugelsang's remarks and the MANY comments on the video I linked in my article, they're only proving me 100% right.
In conclusion, if he continues (which I am 100% sure he will) even after being corrected, God's wrath will be upon Him, and God's wrath when measured out against unbelievers is also a cause worthy of praise since God is justified in His wrath. I pray Mr. Fugelsang repents before it's too late for him.
Friday, January 11, 2008
A Basic conversation with an Atheist...
You: I’ll challenge you on that, what exactly do you find stupid ?
Atheist: The Bible is FULL of hypocritical B.S. !
You: Example, please.
Atheist: Okay, do you think it’s right for an All Loving God to KILL EVERYONE on Earth ?!
You: I think you’re referring to the Flood?
Atheist: Yes, that just shows you how stupid your God is, He said thou shall not Kill and yet He goes and disobey’s His own rules, some God you got there.
You: I’m sorry, you got that wrong, The Bible doesn’t say “Thou Shalt Not Kill”, that’s a common mistake. It says “Thous Shalt Not Commit Murder.”
Atheist: Same difference !
You: No, far from it. Kill simply means to put an end to one’s life, Murder is an unjust killing. You see the difference ?
Atheist: Yeah, but that doesn’t change the fact that your God KILLED BILLIONS of innocent people on Earth !
You: Whoa, easy there. Let’s take a real look at what’s going on. The Bible said that no one was righteous, so no one was innocent,
by God’s standards.
Atheist: That doesn’t make it right for Him to go killing everyone.
You: Actually, it does. If you break a law, there’s a punishment. So why can’t God work the same way ? I mean you understand it
State wise.
Atheist: I just don’t see how EVERYONE can break the law.
You: That’s what happens when people try and make their own moral code.
Atheist: And Christians are Better than Atheists because they have better Morals ?!
You: I didn’t say that. I did say that we have something we can base our actions on, you do not.
Atheist: Yes I do !
You: What ?
Atheist: Myself, I have a mind, I know what’s right and what’s wrong.
You: Oh really ? Care to test that ?
Atheist: Sure.
You: Okay, here’s an easy one. I think that everyone with Black Hair and Hazel eyes Is better than everyone else. So I’m gonna kill everyone who doesn’t
Have Black hair and hazel eyes. Why is that wrong ?
Atheist: Because you’re killing people, duh !
You: So my killing people is wrong ?
Atheist: Yes !
You: Prove it.
Atheist: You’re taking someone’s life, you can’t just up and do that.
You: Yeah, but you’re missing the point, you don’t have Black Hair and Hazel eyes, so why would I listen to you in the first place ?
Atheist: Now you’re just being stupid.
You: No I’m not, I’m working in the parameters I set up. I’m gonna kill everyone who doesn’t have Black Hair and Hazel eyes, because they’re better than everyone else.
Convince me they’re not.
Atheist: Well if you won’t listen to me, then you won’t listen to me. No point in arguing with you if you already think you’re better than me.
You: So you’re gonna let me kill everyone ?
Atheist: No.
You: Then convince me I’m wrong in what I believe to be true.
Atheist: Prove to me that people with Black Hair and Hazel eyes are better than me, then.
You: I don’t need to prove it, I believe it.
Atheist: Then if you can’t prove it, it’s false !
You: I don’t need to prove it, I believe it, and I can find a thousand other like minded people, then it won’t matter.
Atheist: So I can’t convince you. Regardless of what I say, you’re going to kill everyone either way. Why’d we do this stupid exercise in the first place ?
You: To show you that Mankind can’t define it’s own moral code. Would you like to know how I would’ve convinced me?
Atheist: Sure, why not.
You: I would’ve showed myself The Bible and said check this out, God made EVERYONE equal, no one is better than no one and I can prove that by showing you the creation story and how we all came to be, and then I’d would’ve shown me The Law, the Moral Code that God instilled upon us. Nowhere in that Law does it say that anyone is better than anyone. Anyone who breaks that Law would have to answer to God. So I can’t go around killing everyone who doesn’t have Black Hair and Hazel eyes simply because everyone else can have that same idea about me. It’s God’s equality that makes us equal, Not man’s.
Atheist: Yeah, that’s really cute. So you believe The Bible is real ? Like word for word, every bit of it is true ?
You: Yes I do.
Atheist: That means you’re a racist, and sexist and killer.
You: Oh really, explain please.
Atheist: In Levticius, you own Bible tells you that homosexuals must be stoned to death ! So why aren’t you out killing homosexuals ? You see you Christians wanna believe all the good stuff in The Bible but when it comes time to face that bad stuff you guys just wanna pick and choose which laws to follow. You’re all hypocrites!
You: No, and I can explain why. The Laws in Levticus were for the Israelites. They lived under a theocratic system, that’s a system of Government in which Religion runs the nation. Under the Levitical law, as long as the Israelites followed it they would be okay in the Eyes of God. If they broke the law there would be a punishment.
Atheist: That doesn’t explain why you don’t follow it today.
You: Yes it does, we’re no longer living under a theocratic system. When Jesus came down and died on the cross he fulfilled the Law,ergo the Law is no longer needed to keep us on track with God. Only Jesus can do that now. So people today, do not need the Law
We have Jesus.
Atheist: That’s another thing I don’t get. This Jesus guy. So this long haired, hippie shows up and does a bunch of magic tricks and dies becomes a zombie and everyone worships him, that retarded.
You: I’ll challenge that one to. What is it about Jesus that you find hard to believe.
Atheist: Everything ! Jesus wasn’t real.
You: If Jesus isn’t real then we’re all still going to Hell.
Atheist: Why ?
You: Because of sin.
Atheist: That so stupid, so just because one man screws up and eats an apple, we ALL gotta suffer for it. Yeah, your God is great alright.
You: Well, through one man sin entered the world and through one man sin left the world, that sounds pretty fair to me.
Atheist: Whatever.
You: Can I ask you a question ?
Atheist: Sure.
You: Under what circumstances would you believe in God ?
Atheist: If God himself came down here and told me to my face He was God and proved it to me.
You: What if I told you He already did ?
Atheist: Prove it.
You: The Bible. God comes down in the flesh and shows man that He is God.
Atheist: *pfffffft* The Bible is a bunch of made of stories written by men YEARS ago, that hardly counts as proof.
You: The Bible was written by Men, inspired by God.
Atheist: Then your God’s an idiot because The Bible is the dumbest thing I ever read. And what do you mean by inspired by God. You mean God told them to write that nonsense ?
You: Can you do me a favor ?
Atheist: Sure.
You: Type out this sentence over "in principio creavit Deus caelum et terram".
Atheist: In principio creavit Deus caelum et terram.
Atheist: Okay, so I typed it. What now ?
You: Do you have any clue what you just typed ?
Atheist: No.
You: Do you know what that says ?
Atheist: No.
You: Do you understand that at all ?
Atheist: No.
You: Well I understand it perfectly.
Atheist: Of course, you’re the one that told me to type it so I’d assume so.
You: There’s also a good hand full of people who’d understand what you just typed. They’ll all understand it, you won’t though.
Atheist: What was the point of that ?
You: To show inspiration. I just told you to type something that you yourself did not understand at all, but I know someone else will. So based on my command to you, you written down a series of words that only a hand full of people would understand.
Sound familiar ?
Atheist: The Bible right ?
You: Bingo.
Atheist: Okay, I’ll give you that one. Explain to me God’s sexism !
You: Sexism ? Where ?
Atheist: 1st Tim Chapter 2. “Also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion. Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.”. That sounds like a pretty sexist God to me.
You: That discussing conduct in The Church. Women were Queens and rulers back then, but in the Church the men are supposed to be in charge. Not because God is sexist, it’s because God gave us the task in doing so. Not because we’re better than women, only because He made us first and said that that was our job.
Atheist: So a woman can’t preach a sermon?
You: Nope.
Atheist: Why not ?
You: That’s not her job to do.
Atheist: That’s discrimination !
You: No, that’s the rules. I mean you can fry an egg on the hood of a car but that’s not what the hood was made for was it ?
Athiest: So if you were a Pastor and a woman came up to you and she was really into God, like REALLY into God and REALLY wanted to preach a sermon, you wold say no ?
You: If she was really into God as you say she is then she would adhere to His word, and if I said yes, then I’d be doing the exact thing you accused
Christians of earlier, ie picking and choosing which laws to follow.
Atheist: Touche’. But you know the only reason you believe in God is because you’re afraid of Hell. If there was no Hell you wouldn’t
believe in God.
You: You think so ?
Atheist: I know so. Why else would anyone believe something so stupid ?
You: Well, I won’t lie, not going to Hell is very high on my priority list. But before that, it’d be worshiping God.
Atheist: Now, I’m gonna play a game with you. Say there is no Hell, so why worship God ?
You: Because He made us, because He gives us life everyday if that’s not a reason to worship something, I don’t know what is.
Atheist: My Mom and Dad made me, so I guess I should worship them shouldn’t I ?
You: Your words not mine. I wouldn’t advise you to.
Atheist: Whatever.
You: Anything else you wanna talk about ?
Atheist: Yeah, Jesus. You are aware that before Jesus there were hundreds of people claiming to be the Messiah who could walk through walls and walk on water and do magic tricks, so why Jesus ? Why out of all those hundreds did The Bible pick Jesus ?
You: Well first of all The Bible didn’t pick Jesus. Secondly, the other people who claimed to be The Messiah were not the Messiah.
Atheist: How do you know ?
You: It’s like this, say I told you that in 5 days you’ll get a knock on your door, 3 knocks, when you open the door there will be a guy 6’2, Black hair, goatee, Linkin Park T-Shirt, Black pants with green stitching and Blue sneakers and his name will be Pedro and he’ll clean your gutters. So 5 days go by and you get 3 knocks on the door, you open it and the guy at your door is 6’2, Black hair, goatee, Linkin Park T-Shirt, Black pants with green stitching and Blue sneakers, who is at your door ?
Atheist: I’d assume from the way you described the person coming that the person at my door was obviously Pedro.
You: Exactly, I told you who Pedro was, what he looked like and what he was there to do. Same thing with Jesus. In The Old Testament Jesus was predicted to do and preform certain actions to reveal exactly who he was, and Jesus did all these actions. Dig this In the Davidic Covenant, David was told that he’d have someone from his lineage eternally on the throne. Jesus was born in the Lineage of King David, and guess what, that fulfilled The Davidic Covenant. All the other “Messiahs” did not.
Atheist: Hrm….touche’. I guess I’ll have more questions for you in the future. You take it easy.
You: Sure thing man, God bless.
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Sorry for the long post but Christians need to know how to answer these questions. Feel free to post your own
Questions or answers to questions here. Thanks all, Peace in Christ.
Wednesday, October 10, 2007
The 10 Questions Every Intelligent Christian Must Answer, ANSWERED !
Man, Oh man, he’s got us Christians by the gonads. Oh NO, what ever will we poor Christians do ? Wait a minute, all these things sound like a real problem for us Christians, but in all seriousness, as I have said before, If I can refute anyone’s argument, IT’S NOT A GOOD ARGUMENT ! So I’m gonna dive right in here and answer these question based on what I know and what I have read visa-vi The Bible and what it says about God. So let’s dive in, Shall we ? We shall.
Question #1: Why won’t God heal amputees ?
Okay, now I’ve done some thinking about this question and for starters I am going to go to The Bible for a verse or a chapter where God healed an amputee so gimmie a minute………………..Still checking…………Gimmie a sec…..still checking………still checking……………….Oh wait a minute….THERE AREN’T ANY ! Nowhere in The Bible is there EVEN A SINGLE CASE of a limb regenerating. Now, that’s not because people didn’t lose limbs back then. I’m pretty sure there were TONS of amputees walking around. So why didn’t God heal them ?
Well, I’ve been thinking about this and I believe I have a valid answer. Granted, maybe it wouldn’t be a valid answer for atheists or those who reject these answers but this is the best answer I could come up with BASED on what I know. So let’s roll.
My answer would be that God has made the body to be a house for the soul. As rational people we can all agree that EVERYONE get’s old, EVERYONE’S body will eventually start to fail them and EVERYONE will eventually die. That’s the absolute truth.
Now based on what God says, our souls are eternal. So that’d be God’s #1 priority. I mean as Christians we ask God to enter our SOULS, not our Body.
So let’s say for instance that I did lose an arm and then I asked God to give me back my arm and He did. Let’s say He did that for everyone. Well pretty soon, everyone is going to ignore their souls and worry 24/7 about their bodies all the time, and that is not God’s priority. The body will fail you anyway.
I mean why not ask God to stop you from aging ? Why not ask God to make you 21 forever ? Because God made our bodies on a fixed time table, so we will lose our bodies, but our souls, WE CANNOT !
So God is not forsaking an amputee just because He won’t make their arm grow back. He is simply following the rules HE put in motion. And He won’t forsake those rules. Furthermore, just to cover a little base here, I do believe God is working behind the scenes curing disease and what not. Only I don’t think He’s doing it in an obvious way, such as having Angels appear to people and touching them. Rather, I believe that God is working within His own environment to further the cures along. Next question…
Question #2: Why are there so many starving people in the world ?
“A chicken in every pot and a car in every garage.”
– Herbert Hoover”
Let me try and find a verse where God promises to feed everyone, so gimmie a sec…wow. I actually found one. In the Book of David it says
“I, The LORD your God, promises to feed every mouth on Earth”
-The Book of David 6:15
Now if you’re a Christian, you’re probably laughing now, because there is no Book of David, and that quote is NOT REAL ! Simply because God has never promised to feed every mouth on Earth. Now as an atheist, you’re probably thinking “Well then He’s not much of a God if He doesn’t provide for His people.” That is both true and false. If God did make that promise, and then squelches on it then He isn’t much of a God. However my God doesn’t make that promise. Why not ? Simply because that promise is somewhat self defeated for God. What I mean is it’s making a constant demand for God to continuously prove Himself. Which He does not need to do.
What I mean is if God did indeed promise to feed every mouth on Earth than people’s faith in God would be dependant on the fact that He keeps giving them food. God doesn’t want it that way. Do keep in mind that these are guesses, fully based on what I know about the God I am speaking about. I am 100% sure there is someone else who can answer this question better. But I can honestly say that there was NO GOD in the history of God who promised to Feed every mouth on Earth.
Furthermore, God does tell us to be generous and give to others. What would be the point of that demand if there is no one to give to ? Wouldn’t that make God kinda stupid to say that ? Next question…
Question #3: Why does God demand the death of so many innocent people in The Bible ?
This is a perfect example of a very stupid question. Simply because this guy is making the assumption that he understands the culture back then and is trying to apply our current culture with there and it doesn’t work that way. Back during the times of Leviticus and Exodus and so on, The people were living under a Theocratic system !
Which basically means that God’s law ran the country.
That system was fully dependant on everyone following the rules. Much like a boat, if one person starts to rock the boat, that can be very bad for everyone in the boat, ergo you have no choice but to throw that person over board. That’s logically sound. That applies to the theocratic system of those times, one person screws up and it could be pretty bad for everyone, so the only logically sound thing to do is to get rid of that person.
This may sound vicious and mean, and by today’s standards it is. Furthermore, Jesus fulfilled the law, which basically means our salvation is no longer dependant on following God’s theocratic law system. That explains why we are not killing homosexuals or people who have to work on Sunday.
Finally, you CANNOT compare 2 different cultures with 2 different law systems, that’s extremely stupid and irrational to do so. Understand that the questions that are being asked here are not questions, they’re objected based assertions based off of ignorance. The creator of these questions are trying to put words in God’s mouth that aren’t there and is calling them a valid argument which they are NOT.
Next question…
Question #4: Why does The Bible have so much anti-Scientific Non-sense ?
Well let's think about that for a second. Luke was a doctor so one would assume that he didn't take anything at face value, most doctors, good ones anyway will pry and probe every other explanation until they can come to a conclusion that would suite the situation properly.
Also I'd like to ask, which parts of The Bible do you find anti-scientific ? Is it the water into wine stuff ? The raising the dead stuff ?
If those are your examples of anti-scientific let's examine this shall we ? Okay check it out, if Jesus is indeed God in the flesh then He would obviously understand how to transform water into wine. God of course made the rules in which we all live by, and He ultimately has the ability to bend them according to His will. That's not anti-scientific that is simply God revealing to us who He is, by defying the very rules we understand.
No NORMAL man can walk on water without using various props and rigs, but Jesus could do it naturally. Is that anti-scientific ? No, why is it that we try to make God play by His own rules. He made the rules and He can break those rules at will. WE CAN NOT.
Hence we are Human, He is GOD.
The very definition of God explains the dynamic between us. Next question...
Question #5: Why is God such a huge proponent of slavery ?
Yet another culture misunderstanding. Slaves back in those days were people who were from the surrounding nations. HOWEVER they were not treated as you would aspect African Americans were as they were when we were slaves. They were simply Servants or for a much more closer term Butlers or Maid. I maybe off a little bit here, but if I do indeed remember correctly, most of the “slaves” back then were not taken against their will, and fully understood the level of servitude expected of them. These slaves were also given a place to stay and some where even paid.
Furthermore, these slaves were employees of who they were employed by. Ergo if your employee does a piss-poor job on a job you had him do, no one would blame you if you tore him a new one or fired him. Basically these employee or slaves have been given a job to do, and when they aren’t doing that job, it is your job to tell them how to do that job or correct them in the process.
As far as beating them or killing them, understand that The Law back in those days were not followed to an exact 100% T. The penalties within The Law were executed in extreme cases. Hence someone would have to be a continuous offender of The Law to suffer the penalties. They were more or less guidelines on how to proceed and handle such situations should they come to pass.
Ergo, when a slave did a bad job on something, they weren’t beaten immediately after, they were corrected. But if they continue to screw up, then The Law would have to be followed. Next question…
Question #6: Why do bad things happen to such good people ?
Stupid question, and the author would have you believe that we’d have to create an excuse for God to answer this one. Not the case.
Bad things happen to good people because of Satan. Plain and simple. But let’s face it, if you’re an atheist, then this isn’t an answer for you. But that is indeed the 100% honest to God answer. Satan is the root of all evil.
HOWEVER, God is in control of that evil and can direct it where it He pleases. Also, let’s look at Jesus. Jesus was supposed to be God in the flesh, if you’re an atheist you don’t believe in Jesus, but this is the best example I can think of. Correction, it’s the ONLY example worth explaining.
Now, if you’re an atheist, humor me for a second. Jesus is God in the flesh, and God is perfect, therefore Jesus is perfect. Perfect people can’t do anything wrong, because they are perfect. Perfect people aren’t mean, they are nice. Perfect people do not hurt others, because they are perfect. Now, we all know Jesus was crucified. Well why did Jesus get crucified if He was perfect ?
BECAUSE OF EVIL !
Plain and simple. Granted Jesus was sent here to die. But Jesus was perfect, He had no reason to die, no reason to be killed, and yet He was simply because the world hated Him. And if what The Bible says is true, that Jesus who was perfect got stoned, spat on, beat, whipped, and crucified, and anyone looking at it would say, “No good can come of this.”, and YET, Jesus’s death redeemed mankind. And Jesus was perfect and he went through tons of crap. The Bible is riddled with people who just get plain out dogged out non-stop, but in the midst of that, they should understand that God is always with them. So what they go through on Earth doesn’t matter because they know of the reward they will receive in Heaven. So yeah, bad things happen to people. If bad things happen to Jesus/God in The Flesh, Bad things will happen to us. Next question…
Question #7: Why didn’t any of Jesus’ miracles leave behind any evidence ?
Okay, what would we be looking for ? Maybe the Villa in Tuscany Jesus established when he turned water into wine ? Or maybe we can go to the river that he waked across and get a sample of his DNA ? Better yet maybe we can find the wood used to crucify him ? Or we can go and find the bread and fish He used to feed all those people with ? Ya know what ?! Let's find the dead people he rose !
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Ummm, okay Jesus didn't leave any long standing miracles. He did what He did on the spot for that moment and it lasted for as long as it would. The water he turned into wine was drank, the fish and bread he used to feed everyone was eaten, the people he rose died...later on of course. NO WAY we're gonna find a sample of his DNA on the water. NO WAY we're gonna find the wood used to crucify him. So what are we looking for ? Hm ?
Next question...
Question #8: How do you explain the fact that Jesus never appeared to you ?
Another stupid question, I call this question stupid because the writer of these question obviously didn’t read The Bible, he’s just really good and picking and choosing various texts and ripping them out of context. When Jesus ascended into Heaven, He left us with The Holy Spirit, the 3rd and final part of The Trinity that is God.
The Holy Spirit is the power of God, basically the thing that make Christians, Christians. It’s kinda like God giving you the ability to understand Him a little bit better. Which is why an atheist will never understand what I’m saying simply because they don’t have The Holy Spirit working within them.
Furthermore, Jesus did what He had to do, so there’s no need for Him to comeback just so you can see He exists. Jesus did indeed promise to return, but in the mean time He left us The Holy Spirit. Asking Jesus to appear to you in a prayer is not within His will or desire to do. Simply because you’re asking Jesus to go back on His word. Jesus’ word stated that He will return at the appointed time by The Father. So asking Jesus to appear to you is stupid.
However, you can ask Jesus to enter your heart and you can ask Him to help you better understand His word, That is a prayer He’ll grant, also you can pray to Jesus that you allow The Holy Spirit to enter you and help you live a better a life. That’s a prayer He’ll grant. But Jesus will not grant a prayer that goes against His word. Plain and simple.
Also, there is a list of thousands of people I have never met in person, I have only read about them. Based on what this guy says, only because I have never seen them in person I’d have to say they didn’t exist, or simply take an agnostic position and say I have no clue if they do or don’t. Faulty logic…Next Question…
Question #9: Why would Jesus want you to eat his body and drink his blood?
e_e, I have handled this argument SO MANY times that it drives me insane. So I’m not even gonna entertain this one again. Go read my communion article.
Question #10: Why do Christians get divorced the same rate as non-Christians ?
Geez, stupid question. Christians are still people, people are still bound by sin. Why is that when people hear that someone is a Christian, they instantly think that person is supposed to perfect. That is a load of crap ! If anything when you become a Christian, you’re admitting that you have a problem and you need help. Your problem is that you sin, and you need help to not sin. This doesn’t mean that once you become a Christian you’ll NEVER SIN, it means that once you sin, you’ll realize it and ask for forgiveness. I am so SICK of people saying “Well Christians get divorced to !” That is the argument of a moron, a 100% Grade A moron. Simply because we are Human and humans are NOT Perfect ! So yeah, plus Jesus even mentioned divorce in Matthew. Why would Jesus mention divorce if Christian aren’t supposed to get divorced ? Granted, we shouldn’t have to, but Jesus knows that we are Human and we’ll make mistakes so He set up certain guidelines for these mistakes. This is purely a stupid question and a stupid argument from an obviously stupid person.
In conclusion
In order for these argument to warrant any validity AT ALL, they’d have to based within the realm of which God set up. Ergo, you can’t create a question based on an assumption of what you think a certain thing should do. I can’t ask this person to give me 20 bucks, simply because that person NEVER made that promise to give me 20 bucks, ergo my asking him for 20 bucks is fully based on my assumption that He should give me 20 bucks.
Also, if you’re going to ask a question, ask a question with learning in your heart. Don’t ask a question to set someone up, because that instantly becomes a rhetorical question and the answer is rendered null and void simply because the question is no longer a question it becomes an assertion. If you ask a question, ask because you want to learn and understand something.
Finally, the writer of this argument may seem as if he has his ducks in a row by adding Scriptural text to “back up” his dummy arguments. But in order to understand The Bible you can’t just read one verse and follow it down the hole. You have you have to read the entire chapter and get the over all theme of what is being said to who it’s being said to. Example, if I said:
“Show me some green !”
Based on our slang you’d know instantly I was talking about money ! However the text suggests that I was talking about The color Green. But you and I both know I meant money.
If I said:
“The grass is always greener on the other side.”
I am not talking about literally going to the other side of my house or the Earth and pointing out that the grass is greener. You know it’s a figure of speech.
If I said:
“You’re green with envy.”
Obviously your skin color didn’t change to green (unless you’re the Hulk). Ergo, it’s a figure of speech !
50% of The Bible is context and the other 50% is Inspiration.
Without those 2, you will NEVER understand The Bible at the level Christians do. So I urge you to pray and ask God to help you better understand His word. Because in all honesty 5 years ago, questions like this would’ve FLOORED ME ! But I prayed on this before I tackled this argument and I did some research of my own and I have read The Bible and I have come to the conclusion that the guy who wrote probably drools in a bucket while staring at his wall all day trying to come up with a valid argument. That wasn’t nice of me. LOL, I apologize. But honestly. This guy needs to find a better argument, and good luck because there are good arguments that can stop THE TRUTH ! Peace in Christ all.
These following videos are also a response to the questions above. I thought this to be both entertaining and funny. By the way, that isn't me, that's some guy named Jason.
Thursday, September 13, 2007
The Bible Is Repulsive....REFUTED !
In this argument, the writer of this article proposes that The Bible is repulsive. I am writing this to both refute this claim and prove why The Bible is not repulsive. His first argument involves several verses from THE OLD TESTAMENT, I'll explain why I capitalized that in a second. Here is the opening argument:
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Example 1
The vast majority of Americans believe that God exists, that Jesus is his son, and that God himself gave us the Bible and the Ten Commandments. In fact, Supreme court Justice Antonin Scalia has said that "Ninety-nine percent of Americans believe in the ten commandments." He has also said, "What the commandments stand for is the direction of human affairs by God."
If 99% of Americans believe in the ten commandments, how can the Bible be repulsive? Let's take the fourth commandment as an example. It says:
Remember the sabbath day, and keep it holy. For six days you shall labour and do all your work. But the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns. [Exodus 20: 8-9]
This, supposedly, is the word of God, the almighty ruler of the universe. Now think about this. Wal-mart is open on the Sabbath. And so is Target. Best buy is open on the Sabbath. And so is
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.
That's right. The Bible commands the death penalty for anyone who works on the Sabbath, and we should obey. Right? This means we have to kill tens of millions of Americans. Should we line these tens of millions of Americans up and shoot them? Should we put them in giant gas chambers? I think we can all agree that the thought of killing millions of innocent Americans is repulsive. A book this repulsive has no place in our society. And make no mistake about it - the bible really means what it says. It fully intends to be repulsive. In Isaiah 40 verse 8 the Bible says:
"The grass withers, the flower fades; but the word of our God will stand for ever." [Isaiah 40 verse 8]
The Bible says the same thing in 1 Peter 1 verses 24 and 25. And in Psalm 19:7 the Bible says:
"The law of the Lord is perfect."
Since the laws of the Bible are perfect, they should never change. And then there is this. In Matthew 5 verse 20 Jesus says:
"For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven". - Matthew 5:20
According to Jesus, we must follow the laws of the Bible. Do you believe that we should kill millions of innocent people because they work on the Sabbath? If not, do you want a book this repulsive to be quoted in public? Read to children? Used in our courts of law?
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Okay, now of course after reading that, you're wondering how am I gonna refute this ? I mean the argument above sounds pretty solid. Very solid actually. And now I shall debunk this. Remember when I capitalized THE OLD TESTAMENT? Well that's actually very important for interrupting The Bible. You see think of The Bible as no one book but two books. I bet most people who haven't read The Bible can not explain why they separate The Old and New Testament, one answer: Jesus. In the Old Testament, the people if
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Example 2
The Bible wants us to kill most people in
If a man or woman living among you in one of the towns the LORD gives you is found doing evil in the eyes of the LORD your God in violation of his covenant, and contrary to my command has worshiped other gods, bowing down to them or to the sun or the moon or the stars of the sky… Take the man or woman who has done this evil deed to your city gate and stone that person to death. – Deut 17:2-7
In 2 Chronicles 15:12-13:
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. - 2 Chron 15:12-13
Deuteronomy 13:13-19:
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases…you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.
Deuteronomy 13:7-12:
If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods …do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. - Deut 13:7-12
What if you take the name of the lord in vain? Leviticus chapter 24 verse 16 says:
Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him. – Lev 24:16
The Bible is quite clear. We must kill everyone who does not believe in God. There are approximately 30 million people in
And keep in mind that the word of the Lord lasts forever, and the law of the lord is perfect.
Think of this as a Christian Jihad. The idea of killing tens of millions of people because they don't believe in God is repulsive.
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Ouch, once again a very sound argument but riddled with ignorance as to what he's really talking about. This again refers the answer above. If anyone has read The Bible and the book Lamentations, they EXPLAIN CLEARLY that if they screw up will have to deal with GOD'S WRATH. But again, these are quotes from THE OLD TESTAMENT, where The Israelelits were put in charge of enforcing THE LAW or deal with God's wrath. I mean you take your pick, if you're a boat and some guy keeps rocking the boat, you're all gonna die. Now you can ask him to stop and risk him not doing, so you can push him over the edge and save yourself. You understand? But again the write of the article above continues to use The Old Testament to apply to today and WE NO LONGER NEED TO, because Jesus changed the law. Moving on to the next argument:
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Example 3
If you curse your father and mother you are to be killed:
All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:9
Example 4
If you commit adultery you are to be killed:
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife - with the wife of his neighbor - both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:10
Example 5
If you happen to be homosexual you are to be killed.
If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death. - Leviticus 20:13
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Again, more quotes from THE OLD TESTAMENT. And Numbers 3 and 4 shouldn't even be included and here's why.
About Number 3, I'm sure we can all agree that sometimes our parents do things we do not agree with. We've all been in that boat before, that's nothing new. However The Bible stresses the point of cursing your mother and father, and by that I imagine saying things such as: I HATE YOU, I HOPE YOU DIE…things along that nature and actually meaning it. Of course parent and children will get into arguments but truth is we should always understand who they are and who they are to us. This maybe hard for those who had hard childhood.
Number 4 is and I'm pretty sure a VERY WEAK DEFENSE. I mean if someone banged you're wife the LAST thing you're gonna think about is "Oh man, this is wrong.". No you're gonna wanna kick that guy's ass. Again this is a cause for concern back in those days because of GOD'S WARTH. And again you really shouldn't commit adultery to begin with, so really that was a dumb argument.
Number 5 has been under much debate and I'll give my opinion on this subject ONCE, and only ONCE. Personally I have nothing against Homosexuals or Bisexuals. To me, People are People, always was, always will be. However, I will never refer to Homosexuality as normal, and here's why. Simply because it renders NO RESULT. Imagine our world and every last woman died. Without some form of female counterpart, EVERYMAN WILL DIE. Same goes for women. A Man and A Woman comes together and a baby is the end result. It preserves humanity, A Man and A Man comes together and…nothing. A Woman and A Woman comes together and…nothing. Personally I think people are under the belief that sex is simply for pleasure when in actuality it was made to benefit and continue humanity. I WILL NOT, say that Homosexual are immoral. I wouldn't say that. I know many homosexuals who are very moral. And Homosexuality is NOT a moral issue. I will NOT call it normal and I will NOT advocate it. But on another not, I will NOT prosecute anyone for being homosexual nor will condone the prosecution of homosexuals. They are NOT for me to judge, I will simply accept them as people and move on. You can call me a jerk, ass-hole, close-minded, whatever, that was my opinion and that's all I gotta say about that.
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Example 6
Here's another example of the Bible's idiocy. Rebellious teenagers should all be killed as well. Here's what the Bible says in Deuteronomy chapter 21:
If someone has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey his father and mother, who does not heed them when they discipline him, then his father and his mother shall ... say to the elders of his town, 'This son of ours is stubborn and rebellious. He will not obey us. He is a glutton and a drunkard.' Then all the men of the town shall stone him to death. - Deut 21
Think about how many American teenagers need to die.
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Again, a quote from THE OLD TESTAMENT ! Give now unless your parents tell you to do something like kill your best friend or rob a bank, there is no actual reason to disobey them. And this also states "who does not heed them they discipline him". That means if you did something bad and then got a spanking and then did it again, and keep doing it obviously that would be considered bad on your part. And again, remember by boat analogy. Just another person rocking the boat. Moving to the next argument:
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Example 7
In Matthew 18 verses 7 through 9, Jesus speaks:
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. And if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. - Matthew 18:7-9
This verse is repulsive on three levels:
It is repulsive because Jesus is such an idiot here. He is completely wrong.
It is repulsive because it demands that people maim themselves.
It is repulsive because the entire concept of "hell" is repulsive.
Jesus is an idiot. Cutting off your hand or gouging out an eye accomplishes nothing. If you are having a problem with unproductive behaviors, what you need to do is talk with a counselor or see a therapist. Self-amputation is absurd and repulsive. Jesus dispenses advice that is completely useless, and recklessly dangerous as well.
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This I like, because it shows the writers ignorance as to what Jesus actually means in this sentence. People who do not believe Jesus will often misquote him or misunderstand him. And in this case, the writer missed the point entirely. Allow me to clear this up for you.
I was over a friends house watching "Jackass 2". In one segment Bam had a penis branded on his ass. After being branded Bam said and I quote: "I'd rather tear my dick off and throw it in the river than go through that again."
Consider that for a second and let's get back on track. The Writer would suggest that Bam would ACTUALLY tear his penis off. This we know is false. What Jesus is saying in this quote is not to maim yourself. HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO HARM YOURSELF! The point of this quote is to say that "It would be better for you to be cripple and maimed than go to HELL!" THAT IS WHAT HE IS SAYING! He is saying that Sinning will ultimately put you in Hell. And he is saying: That going to such extreme measures to avoid sinning, that would be better than going to HELL. But obviously Jesus does not want you to harm yourself…and once more for the people in the back HE DOES NOT WANT YOU TO HARM YOURSELF! Do you get that ? You understand ? Alrighty, moving along:
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Example 8
The Bible's absolute sexism is well known, and it is repulsive. Here are two examples:
Women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. - 1 Corinthians 14
And:
Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent. - 1 Tim 2
We can find dozens of verses that are just as sexist. The Bible's sexism is both ridiculous and repulsive.
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Oh, finally some NEW TESTAMENT stuff. Alright, I'll admit these verses do not sound flattering at all to women. But allow me to explain. We have to understand that the Bible was written by people of The Jewish persuasion. And back in those days Men were commanded to be the head of the house, the people who must maintain everything. The verse from Corinthians is not saying that women have to shut up in the church, no. It's saying that a Man is supposed to be the one to educate his family on God. That's the man's role in their society. By saying it's disgraceful it's saying that a woman has no place performing a man's task. Now, before you say "Well that is sexist." LISTEN, societies since the dawn of time has had specific jobs for both men and women, that is NOTHING NEW. What this verse is saying is that this task is a man's job. That's all it's saying. The verse from 1st Timothy enforces that. It simply discusses conduct within the church not conduct everywhere. And again we must remember that these people ARE JEWISH! And things for them were A LOT different than they are now.
Also to write The Bible off as fully sexist is not only stupid but false, and here's why: 1 Tim 3:1-12, Col 3:18-19, Eph 5:22-33. There was a man named Hamman who had a plan to exterminate every LAST JEW. A WOMAN stopped him, not only that she had him killed. I'm talking about the book of Esther. Ruth was in battle with her husband. There was a man who had 10,000 chariots at his command, warriors were afraid of THIS MAN and A WOMAN killed him, with little to NO EFFORT AT ALL. Not only that but a WOMAN got full credit for the birth of Jesus. Notice how Joseph isn't mentioned at all after Jesus's birth. Catholics honor MARY ! A WOMAN. Ergo, The Bible is not a sexits document. And I seriously doubt that Women within The Church would support or read The Bible if it was sexist. Moving right along:
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Example 9
The Bible fully supports slavery. In fact, the Bible has been used in many cases, including the American civil war, as an authoritative justification of slavery. Here are three examples.
Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life. - Leviticus 25:44
Also:
If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property. - Exodus Chapter 21:20
Also:
Bid slaves to be submissive to their masters and to give satisfaction in every respect; they are not to be refractory, nor to pilfer, but to show entire and true fidelity. - Titus 2:9
You can see that, according to the Bible:
Buying and selling slaves is fine.
Beating slaves is fine.
Slaves are to show entire and true fidelity.
If you are an intelligent person, you know that he entire idea of slavery is repulsive.
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Many times than not, Slaves back in Biblical times became slaves as a result of war. The prisoners who were captured became slaves. They DID NOT randomly kidnap people from their countries and force them into slave labor. And as you can clearly see by the verses above, the slaves did indeed have rights. If you read the verse around the Leviticus verse quoted you would see that that section is entirely devoted to conduct regarding the treatment of slaves. These verses have been quoted out of context and until the writer acknowledges the surrounding verses I have nothing more to say on this matter, except for THIS DOES NOT give you the right to randomly kidnap someone and say "You're my slave, serve me." And I doubt that me being an African American would support a document honoring and permitting slavery.
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Example 10
The Bible is riddled with repulsion. Take, for example, this verse:
Anyone who is captured will be run through with a sword. Their little children will be dashed to death right before their eyes. - Isaiah 13
Or this:
Or this:
Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - Numbers 31
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The verse from Isaiah is from Chapter 13, a verse in which Isaiah is telling the Babylonians what WILL happen if they do not worship the Lord. It sounds repulsive because it is, obviously Isaiah did not wish this to happen to them and told them. Same goes with the verse quoted from Hosea. The verse quoted from Numbers the people who were killed caused a plague among the Israelites, if the write continued on, Moses commanded the people who had done the killing to remain outside the camp from a number of days and had their clothes purified. Another case of misquoting.
I'd like to close by saying that since the history of time there have been people who having criticized The Bible left and right and up and down and have FAILED. And for future reference anyone who does criticizes The Bible WILL FAIL. And I'm not saying this because Jesus said so or because God said so. I'm saying this because I have found out for my self that there is always, ALWAYS an answer to every criticism The Bible encounters. That's all. Thank you for listening, God Bless, Many thanks and much love.
Friday, September 7, 2007
Proving That No One Can Get Into Heaven...DEBUNKED !
Okay, I’m gonna go ahead and assume you’ve watched the following video above and as airtight and convincing as his argument sounds, I can easily debunk and explain
what it is they are arguing against. Leaving out The Bible, I’m just talking in general because if some people would do any bit of research on the matter or put things within their
see what’s really going on, shall we ? We shall.
In the gospel of Luke 10:25-28 and Luke 18:18-22
You commit a senseless act without watching your back and Two: That God does indeed test us. And in the vein of Luke 18:18-22
Luke 14:26
Yes, even his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.”
Luke 14:26
Yes, even his own life also, HE CANNOT BE MY DISCIPLE.”
Luke 14:26
“Disciple”. A disciple, by definition means “One who adheres to the doctrines and rules of another, a loyal follower.”
Now, why does Jesus use the word Hate ? I mean that’s a pretty harsh word.
I love my Mom.
John 6:53-54
Matt 18:2-3
John 3:3-8
Matt 5:17-20
John 3:16
In Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.”
GOD the creator of the entire Universe, ALL POWERFUL, ALL KNOWING, CAME DOWN to Earth with the ultimate goal
He jumped in front of OUR BULLET ! He took one for the team ! I didn’t need Mel Gibson’s movie to show me that or get the idea. I fully understand it.